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aquaphase
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Ahem. As someone who was "in control" at the time I can call bullshits. Hollywood didn't have shit to do with shit. Hollywood didn't care a good K damn if the fans wanted a place to vent and/or congregate. That was all on the band. Fuck, we begged Hollywood to pay the rent on the fucking server that hosts TPS and shitload of other websites that you probably have visited and bookmarked. The only one driving the bus is Julie, and she doesn't want anything getting in the way of her gravy train.Well, Hollywood did try to make some changes to the forum when they stepped in, and we all know how that turned out. The main page, directs to the blog, just like the forum page does. Yes, the main site is still there, but one just has to know to type in the /main2. I was just saying if someone were to type in the simple .com that the main site directs to the blog. But enough about that.
Ehh, either way, im staying tuned...I guess well just have to wait and see how this whole thing turns out.
Yeah, I'm bitter. I'm bitter because I donated tonnes of time and effort into something that just fucking dissolved overnight. Fuck them.
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airboy paul
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Well, that's just wrong. Give me either of the Spree albums anytime. Give me the Spree's next album too. Or the Lips' last six or so, but Mystics- meh.At War With The Mystics is a great record.
I love TBSO, TWH, and expect to love the next one too. Plus there's no doubt that I'll go see them live again, despite seeing them nearly twenty times over here. Great band, great show, great members- including Tim, Julie, Teasley, and CP, who some folk seem to be taking issues with. Obviously not everything seems to be rosey, but I kinda prefer to find these things out for myself instead of changing my opinion because of what other folk say/think, regardless of whether they're right or not. The Polyphonic Spree have given me lots of great times and memories, and they're not something I have any intention on giving up on just yet.
Roll on The Fragile Army, looking forward to it.
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bennybenbenj
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I was thinking about that. It means no more Citizen's Walks through london, robed queues outside venues with biscuits, helium balloons, xmas volunteers...You are right. I guess they don't have a need for the Citizens of the Sun anymore. They are so confident in how good this new album is going to be, they don't need any extra help to promote it.
Devdog.
Seems like a lot to lose really.
Despite labels, press, TV ads, etc, this band has always been spread through word of mouth. It's not the quickest way to a fan base, but it's the most honest way, and it's the way to make it built to last.
However, I have to admit, since the departure of the main forumites that were in the band, they have had a real problem communicating anything to the fans. This leads to a lot of speculation, irritation, and well, given the stagnation, it ends up in the state it's in. Gone. They couldn't deal with it, nor could they, apparently, trust anyone to keep the forum (which was the basis of the fan base) in the loop. And like an abscess, it started to rot. People became fed up (rightly and wrongly), people blindly defended the band (rightly and wrongly), arguments were had, feelings were hurt, fake characters were outed...
At the end of the day, though, it is the bands responsibility to deal with these issues. Whether it be new band members coming on board and joining in (something I always encouraged and I'm really surprised they didn't), coming on to post random things that happened in rehearsals, recording sessions, whatever...but taking part. They didn't do this. In fact, the last time members of the band were on the board en masse were to defend themselves from observations made at the xmas show. That's generally not a good introduction to any forum, especially ones own. A half-hearted attempt by Julie to get involved didn't last very long, and instead of turning the conversations back to the positive, they simply left, and they pulled it.
You can think that those of us that were involved should have stood up more for them, but we are no longer in a position to do that. None of us could speak for the band, and in my opinion, I am struggling to see the band I was once part of; I don't feel it or hear it anymore (but then I don't get the Arctic Monkeys either so maybe im just getting to be a cranky old man!). Still, the board is the band's responsibility and they have the right to pull it if they please. But if they felt that's the abscess and it all gets better now, perhaps they should look in the mirror to make sure it was a tooth they pulled, and not a nose they chopped off. Painkillers can be a tricky sort.
Everyone is allowed to their opinions, stances, etc. That is well established. At the end of the day, it's whether or not they can convince people to buy their album. They've always been built by word of mouth. Whose mouth is going to be that word now?
However, I have to admit, since the departure of the main forumites that were in the band, they have had a real problem communicating anything to the fans. This leads to a lot of speculation, irritation, and well, given the stagnation, it ends up in the state it's in. Gone. They couldn't deal with it, nor could they, apparently, trust anyone to keep the forum (which was the basis of the fan base) in the loop. And like an abscess, it started to rot. People became fed up (rightly and wrongly), people blindly defended the band (rightly and wrongly), arguments were had, feelings were hurt, fake characters were outed...
At the end of the day, though, it is the bands responsibility to deal with these issues. Whether it be new band members coming on board and joining in (something I always encouraged and I'm really surprised they didn't), coming on to post random things that happened in rehearsals, recording sessions, whatever...but taking part. They didn't do this. In fact, the last time members of the band were on the board en masse were to defend themselves from observations made at the xmas show. That's generally not a good introduction to any forum, especially ones own. A half-hearted attempt by Julie to get involved didn't last very long, and instead of turning the conversations back to the positive, they simply left, and they pulled it.
You can think that those of us that were involved should have stood up more for them, but we are no longer in a position to do that. None of us could speak for the band, and in my opinion, I am struggling to see the band I was once part of; I don't feel it or hear it anymore (but then I don't get the Arctic Monkeys either so maybe im just getting to be a cranky old man!). Still, the board is the band's responsibility and they have the right to pull it if they please. But if they felt that's the abscess and it all gets better now, perhaps they should look in the mirror to make sure it was a tooth they pulled, and not a nose they chopped off. Painkillers can be a tricky sort.
Everyone is allowed to their opinions, stances, etc. That is well established. At the end of the day, it's whether or not they can convince people to buy their album. They've always been built by word of mouth. Whose mouth is going to be that word now?
Still, the board is the band's responsibility and they have the right to pull it if they please. But if they felt that's the abscess and it all gets better now, perhaps they should look in the mirror to make sure it was a tooth they pulled, and not a nose they chopped off. Painkillers can be a tricky sort.
Everyone is allowed to their opinions, stances, etc. That is well established. At the end of the day, it's whether or not they can convince people to buy their album. They've always been built by word of mouth. Whose mouth is going to be that word now?
That says it all to me.
And I completely agree with Mr. J's and others' point about how a little communication, honesty and NERVE to address sensitive issues goes a long way in building trust and empathy. Your fans wouldn't agree with everything, but they'd appreciate you letting them know what's going on and they'd probably stick around.
However, when you just try to shut down communication completely, you alienate people, allow the grapevine to take over and lose touch with the people who support you.
- Mere "they're acting like selfish, scared, old school executives at the bank I work for that have to be constantly corrected about the value of honesty, communication and BASIC PUBLIC RELATIONS" 1975
"You'll have to wait until my cameo in the next season for confirmation" - eebs
"I'm one of my favorite things!" - irock
I've been reading a lot of this stuff. Can I put in my $.02 worth?
I'm reminded of an interview I read a while back with Jackson Browne. He was asked if he ever read or participated in any of the internet websites/message boards/discussion lists that exist for fans of his music. He said most emphatically no, that it wouldn't be good for his ego, positively or negatively. I found that to be a most interesting perspective for an artist. His point of view seems to be that he will make his music, put it out there and let the fans do with it what they will.
I'm rather old school, and I feel like having some sort of figurative barrier there is probably a good idea - familiarity breeds contempt as often as not. Maybe that's what's happened here just a bit. I like the band, I like the music, and I've enjoyed participating to the level that I have. I won't start dumping on them at this point - although I do think Julie is a bitch, that's just my opinon, I could be wrong.
The bottom line is that it is Tim DeLaughter's name on the dotted line, his name on the contract, his name on the check, his name on the music. He can do with it as he pleases. He seems like a decent enough guy, and he seems to be well thought of in the community. I can't believe he would purposely shit on his fans, but you never know about people in this life. Wanting success and doing what it takes to achieve success is the American way, nothing criminal in that.
I hope the new record is good, and they continue to have success. I, for one, will be listening.
Sybil
p.s. very cute - artist formerly known as talented - I'm not sure there's ever been all that much talent involved, but I like it anyway. T I M D E L A U G H T E R gotcha!
I'm reminded of an interview I read a while back with Jackson Browne. He was asked if he ever read or participated in any of the internet websites/message boards/discussion lists that exist for fans of his music. He said most emphatically no, that it wouldn't be good for his ego, positively or negatively. I found that to be a most interesting perspective for an artist. His point of view seems to be that he will make his music, put it out there and let the fans do with it what they will.
I'm rather old school, and I feel like having some sort of figurative barrier there is probably a good idea - familiarity breeds contempt as often as not. Maybe that's what's happened here just a bit. I like the band, I like the music, and I've enjoyed participating to the level that I have. I won't start dumping on them at this point - although I do think Julie is a bitch, that's just my opinon, I could be wrong.
The bottom line is that it is Tim DeLaughter's name on the dotted line, his name on the contract, his name on the check, his name on the music. He can do with it as he pleases. He seems like a decent enough guy, and he seems to be well thought of in the community. I can't believe he would purposely shit on his fans, but you never know about people in this life. Wanting success and doing what it takes to achieve success is the American way, nothing criminal in that.
I hope the new record is good, and they continue to have success. I, for one, will be listening.
Sybil
p.s. very cute - artist formerly known as talented - I'm not sure there's ever been all that much talent involved, but I like it anyway. T I M D E L A U G H T E R gotcha!
No. I stated in another post that I encouraged people to get on and post, but they didn't. However, some members far more beautiful than myself got some rather stalker-esque PMs, so I don't blame them for not. Still, that directive was never given.to the former members on here: were you ever given a 'Don't mingle with fans on the forum/online' command? considering the large number of musicians involved, you'd expect a FEW to mingle.....
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mr_j
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when the powers that were pulled the random ramblings section, i remember having a conversation with boyd dupree (Papa Eisley) about what was going on. it totally blew his mind that a band would do something like that; in his opinion, a forum is the MOST IMPORTANT thing a band could have; it's a band's life-blood, the community. that he owes a lot of eisley's popularity and fanbase to their forum and to the community they've created there.
I'm really glad that I have a chance to gather all this information and opinions. And I'm glad I never got that invested with the band.
I like them a ton but , I'm up here and they haven't been here for ages so when I wanted to get more information on the band, I ended up at the forum and stuck around for the community. Without that, I don't think I would have heard much about them. I mentioned to Sarah that there is so much competing for our attention these days and they are not that huge around here, so I might not have been aware there was an album due out without visiting the forum.
It seems they might be over-estimating their influence on the rest of the country. I don't know.
I've been reserving judgement, but I'm not thrilled with any of it.
I like them a ton but , I'm up here and they haven't been here for ages so when I wanted to get more information on the band, I ended up at the forum and stuck around for the community. Without that, I don't think I would have heard much about them. I mentioned to Sarah that there is so much competing for our attention these days and they are not that huge around here, so I might not have been aware there was an album due out without visiting the forum.
It seems they might be over-estimating their influence on the rest of the country. I don't know.
I've been reserving judgement, but I'm not thrilled with any of it.
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froggorino
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my 2.
heard of tripping daisy before. they were okay. i thought the lead vocals were a bit whiny and overpronounced for the back music. pretty good writing, though. that was that.
i was on an austin city limits site and i saw the spree there. tim actually looks a lot like a guy i used to date in those pics on the ACL site. i stopped and was all, "hey -- who is that?"
came to the forum. heard the music. met the people on the forum. liked the vibe. bought the music. listen to it fairly often. enjoy turning people on to it.
very few people know of TPS that i talk to -- and i am talking about working musicians, many with pretty recognizable names. i mean they are into music as a job and stuff. in my opinion that is their bad, cause i think the band sounds great.
the PR department leaves something to be desired, though. *sigh* not all exposure is good exposure (vegas, embaressin') and pulling the forum looks like brats not getting their way.
if my experience is anything like some others, they really just cut off lots of their word-of-mouth advertising. and that's cool if they are doing their own artistic thing in a vaccuum and are not trying to make a living and grow. otherwise...
as far as julie being a bitch, hmmmmmmmm. i think that it must be hard to be in a partnership with a person so seemingly free-spirited, particularly when kids and responsibilities are involved. not knowing either of them, i probably have no right to speak (understatement) but i will say that i have seen many a significant other morph into a control freak in direct proportion to the degree of his/her partner's carefree attitude. not only are they left taking care of all the biz, but they are also trying to convince their sig-oth how much they should care about the details in life, etc. does that make sense?
but is there another talent that she brought to the table? that's a real question. i had never heard of her before.
i liked what james said about nose cutting off, too. pretty obvious that this is what is happening. and sad, too. i enjoyed the blissful thought that the music just played without anyone having to make hard or unpopular decisions.
regarding the forum -- that was a gift. lots of bands don't have one. yah, they fucked up by pulling it like that. dumb, DUMB move from a PR perspective -- and assholeish from a human perspective. but just because we don't get our way doesn't mean we were fucked over as fans.
those of us capable of separating the music and the musicians a little bit would do well to try, i think. after all, the music is what brought us all together. and i love you guys.
frog"orgy in my suite after the show!"gy
heard of tripping daisy before. they were okay. i thought the lead vocals were a bit whiny and overpronounced for the back music. pretty good writing, though. that was that.
i was on an austin city limits site and i saw the spree there. tim actually looks a lot like a guy i used to date in those pics on the ACL site. i stopped and was all, "hey -- who is that?"
came to the forum. heard the music. met the people on the forum. liked the vibe. bought the music. listen to it fairly often. enjoy turning people on to it.
very few people know of TPS that i talk to -- and i am talking about working musicians, many with pretty recognizable names. i mean they are into music as a job and stuff. in my opinion that is their bad, cause i think the band sounds great.
the PR department leaves something to be desired, though. *sigh* not all exposure is good exposure (vegas, embaressin') and pulling the forum looks like brats not getting their way.
if my experience is anything like some others, they really just cut off lots of their word-of-mouth advertising. and that's cool if they are doing their own artistic thing in a vaccuum and are not trying to make a living and grow. otherwise...
as far as julie being a bitch, hmmmmmmmm. i think that it must be hard to be in a partnership with a person so seemingly free-spirited, particularly when kids and responsibilities are involved. not knowing either of them, i probably have no right to speak (understatement) but i will say that i have seen many a significant other morph into a control freak in direct proportion to the degree of his/her partner's carefree attitude. not only are they left taking care of all the biz, but they are also trying to convince their sig-oth how much they should care about the details in life, etc. does that make sense?
but is there another talent that she brought to the table? that's a real question. i had never heard of her before.
i liked what james said about nose cutting off, too. pretty obvious that this is what is happening. and sad, too. i enjoyed the blissful thought that the music just played without anyone having to make hard or unpopular decisions.
regarding the forum -- that was a gift. lots of bands don't have one. yah, they fucked up by pulling it like that. dumb, DUMB move from a PR perspective -- and assholeish from a human perspective. but just because we don't get our way doesn't mean we were fucked over as fans.
those of us capable of separating the music and the musicians a little bit would do well to try, i think. after all, the music is what brought us all together. and i love you guys.
frog"orgy in my suite after the show!"gy
Im still holding out thinking it will be back. It may be a while, but it is true that a forum is essential. If it doesnt return, hey, I will enjoy the good times I had on their and smile in knowing that I have met many great friends. Either way, yeah, it sucks, but I dont feel dicked over as a fan. And, I like some am overly excited for TFA! If anything, it will probably only make me more of a fan. But thats just me.
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