well well well

[Irock]

Sometimes it's not what you intend, but how it is perceived that really matters.

So if I were to percieve your posts as arrogant and sanctimonious....

[aquaphase]

hmmm...i'll admit that part of RM's appeal is he gets you to thinking, and what he means and what you think of when you read what he says might not be the same thing. i can't interpret him, but i'll simply echo what others have said and say that he's not saying anything bad or mean or what have you. he's simply speaking for his own feelings, in general.

I absolutely agree with you. Unfortunately, starting this specific thread (along with the resulting commentary from the peanut gallery) really hurt the feelings of some very nice people and I think Rubbs should have found another way to express his disgust regarding the "discourse" on the other forum.

Sometimes it's not what you intend, but how it is perceived that really matters.

I'm just going to say my $.02 and leave it like that. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. If people spend their entire life and/or online existance trying to gain acceptance for what they like, and end up crestfallen because a perceived "pillar" of said existance starts looking shaky, then they probably deserve to feel the way they do.

One of the great constants of the universe is that almost everything you hold dear will eventually disappoint you. That's just the way it is.

Despite all of this, our little adventure here should not be seen as an attack on that other place. This is no "forum war." What keeps this joint going is that the Fork ("The Fork" being concept, not just a utensil) is universal. You can like and dislike anything and still be good with the Fork. Chipper-happy la-la crap grows old. It grew stagnant a while back and I did what I wanted to about it. I'm sorry that there are degrees of resentment floating around, but, once again, that's just the way it is.

That being said, "Game on"

[jbfromoc]

Sometimes it's not what you intend, but how it is perceived that really matters.

So if I were to percieve your posts as arrogant and sanctimonious....

Guilty as charged.

[froggorino]

[quote="aquaphase]
One of the great constants of the universe is that almost everything you hold dear will eventually disappoint you. That's just the way it is.[/quote]

word.

and jb -- i am not one to jump on any bandwagon, but the way i am perceived in none of my business.

being true and as genuine as possible is my business, while still taking into account other people's feelings. but how do people take me? this is something that is the result of their impression of me rattled around for a while in a little blender with a zillon other impressions, experiences, and prejudices that have nothing to do wth me. know what i mean? people are not generally clear about what is forming their opinions, and try to smear lots of unrelated shit together and name it impression. and it has very little to do with the actual initial stimulus.

so how could i possible control someone else's perception? it is totally impossible, unless i am trying to persuade. which is not the same as express.

[jbfromoc]

jb -- i am not one to jump on any bandwagon, but the way i am perceived in none of my business. being true and as genuine as possible is my business, while still taking into account other people's feelings. but how do people take me? this is something that is the result of their impression of me rattled around for a while in a little blender with a zillon other impressions, experiences, and prejudices that have nothing to do wth me. know what i mean? people are not generally clear about what is forming their opinions, and try to smear lots of unrelated shit together and name it impression. and it has very little to do with the actual initial stimulus.

so how could i possible control someone else's perception? it is totally impossible, unless i am trying to persuade. which is not the same as express.

It's not about controlling perception, but taking responsibility for your actions. I don't intend to be "arrogant" and "sanctimonious," but that is how I am perceived by some of you and I'm willing to own it. As for Rubbs, he'd rather lash out at me for being a "mother fucker" instead of admitting that starting this thread (on this forum of all places) hurt some decent inncoent people. So although I may also be a "mother fucker," it still doesn't negate or excuse his behavior (intentional or not).

Furthermore, unlike myself, Rubbs is a pillar in The Spork community and has a legacy to protect. My initial post was simply to point out that starting this thread served no purpose but to hurt the feelings of some very nice people who think very highly of him and seems very uncharacteristic coming from a person who we would all agree is the embodiment of all things The Spork claim to be. And it is only because I have the highest esteem for him that I am so disappointed by his actions and felt compelled to say something about it.

[Jan]

Why is there no ignore user function on this board!?!

[aquaphase]

And it is only because I have the highest esteem for him that I am so disappointed by his actions and felt compelled to say something about it.

Next time do it in a PM, and leave us the fuck out of your disappointment-fest

[froggorino]

haaaaaa. i hardly think rubberman is the "embodiment of all things..." and i doubt he does, either.

see? you are mixing your own expectation into his comments, and you have no right to do that and then hold him responsible. you expect someone to behave to certain, better-than-regular standards, and that's on you -- not him. that's what i'm saying.

enlightenment is acceptance as-is. me being okay with someone NOT being okay right this minute. and not expecting them to behave falsely in order that i may not be uncomfortable. that's controlling and manipulative. and it makes people feel pushed around. when i feel like i always have to "act" around someone, i tend to dislike being with them.

frog"that's just me, though"gy

[sandrapowers]

gail did you really read what I wrote???

I said you and Sarah are GENUINELY nice!!!!!

ugh!!!!!!

Sandra

[jbfromoc]

enlightenment is acceptance as-is. me being okay with someone NOT being okay right this minute. and not expecting them to behave falsely in order that i may not be uncomfortable. that's controlling and manipulative. and it makes people feel pushed around. when i feel like i always have to "act" around someone, i tend to dislike being with them.

frog"that's just me, though"gy

Ugh. Let's stop fluffin' this up with the "I'm okay, you're okay-serenity prayer-shit happens-build a bridge and get over it" talk and break it down forkers style:

It was a dick move for Rubbs to post that Spork thread and I'm not the only person who thinks so. And if he doesn't care about being a dick like some of the other folks on this forum (not you froggy) then so be it.

[roach]

my favorite dick.

[froggorino]

okay -- let's break it down forkers style. haaaaaa. let's do, bitches.

you just bring in the "i'm not the only one who thinks that" as a last ditch pussy move to try to twist a knife that missed its mark. and it's pretty obvious. and a wee bit embaressin. before you school anyone else, take a look in the mirror. is that unfluffy enough?

frog"doesn't really care about being a dick, chick-style"gy

[jbfromoc]

okay -- let's break it down forkers style. haaaaaa. let's do, bitches.

you just bring in the "i'm not the only one who thinks that" as a last ditch pussy move to try to twist a knife that missed its mark. and it's pretty obvious. and a wee bit embaressin. before you school anyone else, take a look in the mirror. is that unfluffy enough?

frog"doesn't really care about being a dick, chick-style"gy

Very unfluffy. Too bad my last ditch "pussy move" is true but my peeps are far too nice to get down and dirty with you forkers and back me up. But no matter. It's still true.

[froggorino]

a'ight dude. mai-freakin-ze already.

[roach]

um. seriously?

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