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[James]

Because you think radical liberals are inherently foolish at best and malicious at worst?

This is exactly what I mean by PETA widening the gap.

no, i mean it's because all the PETA folks I have met in my life have been so fucking out of touch with reality that killing a chicken here or there to discredit the poultry industry and portray them as cruel and barberous people (sp?) is perfectly okay, as long as it serves them well. these people want control, pure and simple. they care not about choice.


mr. 'poor chickens, they deserved the right to be delicious ' j.

I think we're all in agreement that PETA are wack-jobs here. The proof that all they want is control lies in the fact they have a celebrity gala with bands and awards and such. They have truly lost their own plot...much like most of the attendees.

[mr_j]

I really don't think it's neccesary to make up stories about the brutality of the slaughterhouse industry; I think maybe believing that the stories are invented makes it easier for people to sleep / eat / whatever at night.

But then again, if it makes you feel better, more power to you. After all, you could be right.

I guess.

it's not that i'm not aware of the brutality of the industry. there was a 'secret' video captured and released several months ago, showing workers having 'fun' killing chickens for absolutely no reason. if these workers, who all appeared to be grown adults, were commiting this act--an illegal act, to be sure--do you think they'd be stupid enough to enter their workforce and actually VIDEOTAPE it? i'm sorry, but I don't think that at all. secondly, wouldn't PETA naturally make an outcry about WHO did this, and move to get them fired? normally, yes. No such outcry as to who these men were was ever made...which is also very, very suspicious.

you can watch a video of it narrated by the noted humanitarian and all-around brilliant Pamela Anderson at kfccruelty.com

[Irock]

secondly, wouldn't PETA naturally make an outcry about WHO did this, and move to get them fired?

No; that would be contrary to their point that this type of abuse is inherent.

Like I said, believe what you want. But the idea that the abuse is too horrible to be true is naïve.

[mr_j]

secondly, wouldn't PETA naturally make an outcry about WHO did this, and move to get them fired?

No; that would be contrary to their point that this type of abuse is inherent.

Like I said, believe what you want. But the idea that the abuse is too horrible to be true is naïve.

have you seen the video in question? there's something odd about it, that it feels almost...staged.

[Irock]

Nah. I don't watch PETA's propaganda films.

[mr_j]

Nah. I don't watch PETA's propaganda films.

neither do i, but this particular film got splashed all over the news when it was released.

[mere1975]

You're thinking of the Borat film, and yes, the part with Pamela Anderson was staged.

- Mere "prefer mockumentaries to propaganda" 1975

[Dalya]

um ok. i just read about 5 articles about how "free range" and "cage-free" mean the same thing, and all it means is that they're not in cages. it doesn't mean they're outside. in fact, one of the articles was about a Horizon Organics egg farm. Their "free range" chickens are in a windowless building and are rarely allowed outside. They are still fed grain and other things that aren't a chicken's natural diet. And the manager of the farm, Scott Akom, said "'People think chickens should be in their natural environment, but what they don’t understand is, a chicken will eat anything,' Akom says. 'A chicken will eat bugs and worms. All that goes into the egg.' He shudders."

yeah, worms are bad but it's ok to eat a chicken that was half-dead before it was slaughtered from laying too many eggs within a 2-year period.

a normal free chicken lives to be about 10 or older -- pretty much the same as a dog. a chicken on an egg farm lives 2 years or less and then its' meat is sold as soup ingerients because its too frail to be kept whole.

source: http://www.styleweekly.com/article.asp?idarticle=8214

[Dalya]

have you seen the video in question? there's something odd about it, that it feels almost...staged.

yes but it still happens. you can't prove whether or not PETA staged the video, which i doubt. but while these "psychotic" workers may not be the norm, they exist. just like there are people who severly abuse their pets. not every person does it, and it's probably rare, but unless you have someone regulating it or enforcing laws (or writing laws, to start with) that prevent it, it can happen with no consequences. even if the factory worker is perfectly normal and kills the animal as he/she is supposed to, the animal is still treated like shit throughout its' life. on top of hurting the animal, which you may not care about, it means the meat is poor quality. this is especially true for chickens, who are usually only 45 days old when they're slaughtered ("broiler chickens" which are fed hormones to grow quickly... chickens that lay eggs get to live 2 whole years).

[Dalya]

someone, I can't remember who, used the argument that humans have the innate ability to think and are smarter than animals. therefore we have the right to farm and eat animals.

a grown man is also smarter than a young girl, but does that mean god wanted him to take advantage of her? clearly not. it's a more drastic example, but i think you can see the similarities. a more intelligent being has no right to take advantage of something that's helpless, be it child or animal, or anything else. this just reminds me of something i read by alfred nobel. when he invented dynamite he wrote about how humans have the ablitiy to invent great things, including weapons, and we have to use our intellect to determine how to use them.

if humans have the intellectual capacity to capture and slaughter an animal, we also have the capacity to understand that confining a living thing to a windowless room for it's entire life and then killing it painfully is cruel and unnecessary.

[Phyllis]

BUT THE ANIMALS ARE SO TASTTTTTTYYYYYY

[Dalya]

shutup phyllis.

[Tracy]

When we lived in California, we were about 40 miles away from here - Harris Ranch. Well, this is actually the feedlot. It was pretty disgusting. There are ponds to catch the urine that runs off. And whenever I drove by there, the cattle were packed in more densely than in this photo. (BTW-Harris Ranch is supposed to produce excellent beef.)

I eat meat but I have thought about stopping on and off for a long time for environmental reasons. Check out Diet for a Small Planet by Frances Moore Lappe.

[Dalya]

i'd love to live on or near a farm where i can eat healthy eggs from worm-eating chickens and where the pigs are allowed to root and the cows eat grass and live forever.

dal "the same farm where every 6 year old's dog gets sent" ya

[ifihadahifi]

Fear and panic are wonderful meat tenderizers.