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god that was painful to hear/watch.
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yay biden is going to PWWWWWN. can't wait.
i asked my english professor (someone who teaches classes at UNT and NCTC and speaks about four languages so you'd think he would be educated) if he liked palin and his response was, "well i don't like biden" and i was like "why" and he said "LOL HE HAD A BRAIN TUMOR"
i feel sad about the human race sometimes.
i asked my english professor (someone who teaches classes at UNT and NCTC and speaks about four languages so you'd think he would be educated) if he liked palin and his response was, "well i don't like biden" and i was like "why" and he said "LOL HE HAD A BRAIN TUMOR"
i feel sad about the human race sometimes.
n_n
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my daily add to this:
A little comparison.
I saw video of Palin at the Alaska gubernatorial debates that were very structured(like the one tonight will be) and she did very well. and this quote scares me, reminds me of bush...
Andrew Halcro, who has debated her, explains his experiences debating Palin:
"I've debated Governor Palin more than two dozen times. And she's a master, not of facts, figures, or insightful policy recommendations, but at the fine art of the nonanswer, the glittering generality. Against such charms there is little Senator Biden, or anyone, can do."
and
david letterman's top ten things overheard at sarah Palin's debate camp
10. "Let's practice your bewildered silence."
9. "Can you try saying 'yes' instead of 'you betcha'?"
8. "Hey, I can see Mexico from here!"
7. "Maybe we'll get lucky and there won't be any questions about Iraq, taxes or healthcare."
6. "We're screwed!"
5. "Can I just use that lipstick-pit bull thing again?"
4. "We have to wrap it up for the day -- McCain eats dinner at 4:30."
3. "Can we get Congress to bail us out of this debate?"
2. "John Edwards wants to know if you'd like some private tutoring in his van."
1. "Any way we can just get Tina Fey to do it?"
homer votes for obama
A little comparison.
I saw video of Palin at the Alaska gubernatorial debates that were very structured(like the one tonight will be) and she did very well. and this quote scares me, reminds me of bush...
Andrew Halcro, who has debated her, explains his experiences debating Palin:
"I've debated Governor Palin more than two dozen times. And she's a master, not of facts, figures, or insightful policy recommendations, but at the fine art of the nonanswer, the glittering generality. Against such charms there is little Senator Biden, or anyone, can do."
and
david letterman's top ten things overheard at sarah Palin's debate camp
10. "Let's practice your bewildered silence."
9. "Can you try saying 'yes' instead of 'you betcha'?"
8. "Hey, I can see Mexico from here!"
7. "Maybe we'll get lucky and there won't be any questions about Iraq, taxes or healthcare."
6. "We're screwed!"
5. "Can I just use that lipstick-pit bull thing again?"
4. "We have to wrap it up for the day -- McCain eats dinner at 4:30."
3. "Can we get Congress to bail us out of this debate?"
2. "John Edwards wants to know if you'd like some private tutoring in his van."
1. "Any way we can just get Tina Fey to do it?"
homer votes for obama
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I actually think some of her problem with Couric was not *enough* silence. She would just start talking right away with knowing what she was actually going to say. At least silence could have been edited out. She's obviously nervous, I just hope she's this nervous tonight.10. "Let's practice your bewildered silence."
The Student Dem Association at UTA is having a debate watching party at a bar, I hope they get the show they're looking for... didn't see any flyers from the Repubs.
"There are many fish in the sea, Maria. But you're the only one I want to mount over my fireplace." ~Walter Matthau
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That Simpson's one is great. 

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"There are many fish in the sea, Maria. But you're the only one I want to mount over my fireplace." ~Walter Matthau
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Congressional appointment to Annapolis, that's working class for sure. Just like the admiral father, admiral grandfather and plantation owning great-grandfather."Naval Acadamy / War College" as working class War Hero (!) factories.
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She attributed a John Winthrop quote to Reagan. I think that pretty much sums her up.
(She also said city on a hill, not city upon a hill, but let's not expect too much.)
(She also said city on a hill, not city upon a hill, but let's not expect too much.)
I myself am hell;
nobody’s here—
nobody’s here—
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I taped it last night and started watching when I got home at about 7:30. Then I couldn't take it anymore and flipped over to ugly betty.
I was screamming...ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION BITCH!
I was screamming...ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION BITCH!
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i got so angry a few times that i had to get up and walk away. i used a lot of angry sexist slurs. of all people, why is SHE the one "representing" women? i want to punch her in her smug little face. she didn't answer anything and was just pandering to people's emotions instead of talking about the facts.
biden totally owned her when they were talking about gay rights, though, which i am not ashamed to say made me cry just a little.
biden totally owned her when they were talking about gay rights, though, which i am not ashamed to say made me cry just a little.
dread stuff
NEW ETSY NEW ETSY NEW ETSY
[But if I cross paths with him on Farm Town I'll harvest the fuck out of his trees and not even say thank you.] -jimbo.
NEW ETSY NEW ETSY NEW ETSY
[But if I cross paths with him on Farm Town I'll harvest the fuck out of his trees and not even say thank you.] -jimbo.
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part of the plan:
if you talk yourself into a corner bring up Afghanistan!
if you talk yourself into a corner bring up Afghanistan!
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I started taking notes because I wanted to make sure I had evidence when I later called her a dumbass. I also took notes on Biden's slip-ups and on both of their good responses. Here are some of the gems I wrote down... and these are direct from my train of thought as I watched.
* 4 inch heels behind a podium = idiot.
* "Can I call you Joe?" HAHAHAHA
* JB looks at SP while she answers questions, makes eye contact with her whenever he talks about her; SP mostly makes eye contact with camera, even when speaking about JB, she reviews her notes and smiles down while JB answers.
* SP: QUESTION AVOIDER!!!! A MASTER!
* Doesn't matter what is causing global warming yet we can fix it??? We KNOW global warming is man made??? Both fucked this up (SP worse though)
* SP: TOLERANT of adults in America being able to choose their partners??? "I am tolerant" !!!!! Barf.
* SP: "We have got to win in Iraq" -- what is winning?
* JB: "Fundamental difference: we will end this war." YAY!
* JB: the theocracy controls the security apparatus in Iran -- this is smart and true but Americans don't know what the hell this means and therefor SP seems to "win" this exchange with her emotional appeals. Damnit.
* THE FUCKING WINKING!!!!!!!!
* SP: "2 state solution IS the solution" -- and yet America has no place deciding the solution for middle eastern peace, jackass...
* SP saying "there have been huge blunders" [in the iraq war] with a big, sheepish grin = VOMIT EVERYWHERE. THICK CHUNKY VOMIT.
* Biden's sigh while SP talked about surge principals being used in Afghanistan = funny as hell
* JB: "I don't have a stomach for genocide when it comes to Darfur" YAY!
* SP: "It is so clear I'm a Washington outsider" -- awesome job on double talk. If I didn't know better and if she could pronounce nuclear, this kind of statement would almost work on me. This kind of thing definitely wins people over and she delivered it really convincingly. This is definitely her strong point. She does a good job of acting like she as "enough" experience, but not so much that she is corrupt. She really is the perfect Republican VP candidate. The fact that she's a woman but is still subordinate to McCain is even better, because she's a "strong woman" but she's still in a "proper" role. Fuck. They really did pick a good VP for the ticket.
* "Get rid of the greed and corruption on wall street" - how???? this is like promising world peace, bitch!
* JB: never question their motive, only question their judgement -- nice, Joe.
* SP: "Heck of a lot", "darn", "dogonnit", "nucular"
Overall impression: SP talks too fast and doesn't form sentences. There is no detectable grammar in her speech. She also doesn't have noun-verb agreement a lot of the time. JB "won" with use of actual facts, intelligent answers, and passion about the issues - but he tended to try to stick in too many facts and stutter some and then run out of time. SP seemed very composed even as she yammered about nothing. I like Biden. He reminds me of LBJ a little. Pallin is very likable as well and I can see why she is doing and is going to do so well. Eye contact, colloquial speech, "cute" little mannerisms like her winking and being very informal--all going to win over the idiots of this country who don't care what words she is saying.
I could not believe I wasn't watching Tina Fey do an SP impersonation. I kept thinking "this is a REAL debate? its like an SNL skit!"
* 4 inch heels behind a podium = idiot.
* "Can I call you Joe?" HAHAHAHA
* JB looks at SP while she answers questions, makes eye contact with her whenever he talks about her; SP mostly makes eye contact with camera, even when speaking about JB, she reviews her notes and smiles down while JB answers.
* SP: QUESTION AVOIDER!!!! A MASTER!
* Doesn't matter what is causing global warming yet we can fix it??? We KNOW global warming is man made??? Both fucked this up (SP worse though)
* SP: TOLERANT of adults in America being able to choose their partners??? "I am tolerant" !!!!! Barf.
* SP: "We have got to win in Iraq" -- what is winning?
* JB: "Fundamental difference: we will end this war." YAY!
* JB: the theocracy controls the security apparatus in Iran -- this is smart and true but Americans don't know what the hell this means and therefor SP seems to "win" this exchange with her emotional appeals. Damnit.
* THE FUCKING WINKING!!!!!!!!
* SP: "2 state solution IS the solution" -- and yet America has no place deciding the solution for middle eastern peace, jackass...
* SP saying "there have been huge blunders" [in the iraq war] with a big, sheepish grin = VOMIT EVERYWHERE. THICK CHUNKY VOMIT.
* Biden's sigh while SP talked about surge principals being used in Afghanistan = funny as hell
* JB: "I don't have a stomach for genocide when it comes to Darfur" YAY!
* SP: "It is so clear I'm a Washington outsider" -- awesome job on double talk. If I didn't know better and if she could pronounce nuclear, this kind of statement would almost work on me. This kind of thing definitely wins people over and she delivered it really convincingly. This is definitely her strong point. She does a good job of acting like she as "enough" experience, but not so much that she is corrupt. She really is the perfect Republican VP candidate. The fact that she's a woman but is still subordinate to McCain is even better, because she's a "strong woman" but she's still in a "proper" role. Fuck. They really did pick a good VP for the ticket.
* "Get rid of the greed and corruption on wall street" - how???? this is like promising world peace, bitch!
* JB: never question their motive, only question their judgement -- nice, Joe.
* SP: "Heck of a lot", "darn", "dogonnit", "nucular"
Overall impression: SP talks too fast and doesn't form sentences. There is no detectable grammar in her speech. She also doesn't have noun-verb agreement a lot of the time. JB "won" with use of actual facts, intelligent answers, and passion about the issues - but he tended to try to stick in too many facts and stutter some and then run out of time. SP seemed very composed even as she yammered about nothing. I like Biden. He reminds me of LBJ a little. Pallin is very likable as well and I can see why she is doing and is going to do so well. Eye contact, colloquial speech, "cute" little mannerisms like her winking and being very informal--all going to win over the idiots of this country who don't care what words she is saying.
I could not believe I wasn't watching Tina Fey do an SP impersonation. I kept thinking "this is a REAL debate? its like an SNL skit!"
I myself am hell;
nobody’s here—
nobody’s here—
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"Won't somebody think of The Children!!"
It wasn't the slam dunk I wanted. She did better than I expected / wanted her to. My favorite part, that I'm afraid was glossed over, was from Biden, "Facts matter, Gwen."
Another thing I liked: "Now golly-gee-gosh-willikers Joe, stop talkin abOOt how much McCain is like George Bush - that's the past! Let's talk about the FUTURE!"
two, three, four... "Regan! Regan! Regan!"

It wasn't the slam dunk I wanted. She did better than I expected / wanted her to. My favorite part, that I'm afraid was glossed over, was from Biden, "Facts matter, Gwen."
Another thing I liked: "Now golly-gee-gosh-willikers Joe, stop talkin abOOt how much McCain is like George Bush - that's the past! Let's talk about the FUTURE!"
two, three, four... "Regan! Regan! Regan!"
"There are many fish in the sea, Maria. But you're the only one I want to mount over my fireplace." ~Walter Matthau
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